Paso Robles, Calif.—Weatherby Inc., legendary firearms manufacturer, is honored to introduce the Vanguard Weatherguard line of rifles, one of the latest iterations of the Vanguard series … The comb of the stock appears to be designed to line your eyes up with the top of the barrel, but the observant reader will note that there are no iron sights. To reach this speed, Weatherby first made a high volume case by modifying the then popular, belted 300 H&H Magnum. Many guys upgrade their Remington 700 and install a robust extractor such as the S2 series sports right out of the box. It’s a nice little rifle. The rosewood forend and the clean, fine checkering really set this rifle apart. What ammo did you shoot? Of the two solutions, only one allows me to do both of those things. There is, however, a problem. Howa 1500 vs weatherby vanguard s2 what's the deal Guns & Ammo Discussion Not as much of an issue for big game where you only fire a couple shots, but for smaller game and duck hunting the hearing damage adds up. The new Vanguard Series 2 rifles, on the other hand, are all guaranteed to be 1 MoA or better out of the box. In fact anything that has come out in the last 18-24 months is not only outstanding, but near the top of it’s class in terms of build quality and quality of materials. Of course, I suppose you should just buy a 700 at that point… oh well. Weatherby Vanguard® Series 2 Sporter.270 Winchester. Not to silence but to reduce the noise level from “permanent damage” to just “really loud”. Thank You. Growing up with Weihrauch air rifles, I was spoilt with a quality Rekord trigger from an early age, and really appreciated the … It’s essentially the same rifle, 20″ barrel, etc. I suspect that with any other name on it you wouldn’t be so quick to nitpick. I am going to test for various standard 308 ammo soon. An improvement over the previous version for sure. Everything feels right. Adjustable trigger? Name another hunting rifle in this price class with a threaded barrel. But, until then, you’re going to have to be happy with four point five stars. Not this site, not for some time now. This rifle also falls into line with another pet peeve among the writers here. How Roy Weatherby Got 3,600 fps From His 257 Weatherby Magnum. The Tikka T3 uses the same “reduced overlap” and it too doesn’t have a 90 degrees throw. Barrel: 20″, 1:12 twist I was able to score two rounds touching, then one low but still within an inch before the rounds started drifting. Sales of Vanguards far outnumbers Mark V sales. He reduced case length from 2.850” to 2.549”, straightened the side walls, and added his double radius shoulder which was perhaps more showmanship than substance. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. For testing, we topped the .240 Wby. The stocks are terrible, especialy the Stevens gray plastic. It’s a little complex for my taste, and the slightly more flimsy design of the safety selector lever leaves me pining for the older design. In fact I don’t recall seeing one on civilian guns. I can only imagine the struggle with a Model 70 safety. Illustration courtesy of Weatherby, Inc. Could be that. I used to own a .257 Accumark Mark V Weatherby and luckily still had … This becomes a problem when you’re trying to make precision shots, as it usually has an adverse effect on the barrel harmonics and can apply pressure on the barrel moving it slightly off center. This barrel is of a slimline sporter profile and the stock is synthetic.The Weatherby Vanguard S2 is offered in a range of standard calibres, from 223 Rem to 375 H&H, as well as a selection of the famous Weatherby Magnum calibres. Ergonomics Firing: * * * * Perhaps they should offer a Brown Bess reproduction with a polymer stock…. I like to hear what’s going on around me, and have the shot muffled. The Vanguard Series 2 is taking a rather unorthodox approach to triggers on the modern hunting rifle—it comes with … The last two 1 in ACCUMARK IN 7MM, AND THE OTHER IN ACCUGUARD 300 WEATHERBY HAVE NOT BEEN OUT ON THE HUNT YET, but I have no doubt they will shine. Weatherby Vanguard Sporter rifle review. “…using the lack of thread as a reason for denigrating a gun is very poor. Research and study before writing an article on a firearm. The way the rifle is designed, its Sub-MOA guarantee will only be affective, if upward pressure from the end of the forearm stock is kept in place. With a better trigger, a better stock and guaranteed accuracy out of the box, this really does make it THE rifle for the shooter on a budget. My “fending off” as you put it would have been the same regardless of the source. While one person can always thread his gun if he is so inclined, using the lack of thread as a reason for denigrating a gun is very poor. An ear cover is much more comfortable than lugging a heavy sound suppressor on the tip of a gun through the woods. Eventually I’ll get a better riser, but, this works for now. Again, the comb of the stock is the main issue with the remaining star. WFBA. The stock is a single piece of injection molded polymer (plastic) that warped and bent with every movement. Weatherby Vanguard Review. kind of goofy but he likes it…, I questioned the non free floating stock but after a discussion with Weatherby I decided to shoot it and see how it grouped. For comparison, here’s what the old version looked like. Overall Rating: * * * * 1/2 This rifle was designed to be fired using a scope, but the way the stock is designed means you either need to be happy with an inadequate cheek weld or get yourself a cheek riser to get your eye on the right level. When I called Weatherby and spoke to a customer service rep gave him the serial number and told him my trouble he chuckled and said someone would get back to me they never did I had to call a second time. Are there after-market stocks available? I don’t like two stage triggers typically but once you get to the second stage it breaks clean and fairly light. I have found that reviews from this website are always lacking. This Weatherby can grow right along with the hunter who is lucky enough to hunt with it. Do you have any video of that? MSRP: $599. I have a Vanguard Series 2 in .308 which says use .308 only on the barrel. When I google the guns that come up the most are the Savage, Remington, Wheatherby, Tyka and sometimes Browning and Ruger. A quality piece of Weatherby mark 5 deluxe wood probably costs more than a complete vanguard. But when it jumped into the hyperbole of him being “absolutely biased against Weatherby,” it was nonsensical enough to prompt me to respond. morning jimmy i have the vangard By Chuck Hawks. (Special thanks to Bracken Range in San Antonio, TX for the range time!). I’m starting to think they’re colluding with the accessory companies to drive sales of risers…, Moving on, the trigger is also completely redesigned. Chuck Hawks shares information about Weatherby Vanguard rifles. If you are a Weatherby fanboy just say so. The Series 2 fixed a number of issues with the stock, but it still isn’t free floating. The Weatherby Vanguard bolt action rifle was introduced in the late 1960's as a Weatherby rifle for non-Weatherby calibers. That is a very outdated idea at this point. Weatherby Vanguard Series 2 Carbine. Like the current incarnation of the Rem 700. Eddie. Otherwise I have to send it to California to be repaired. The test rifle was chambered in .257 Weatherby magnum, a fast-stepping cartridge capable of sending a 100-grain bullet downrange at 3,600fps velocity, producing 2,880ft/lb energy. I’d care to find out more details. I mounted a SWFA 12 x 42 scope on my Weatherby V2 and had zero issues with the bolt. Look it up. The Howa bolt action is a good one, ... Howa 1500 SC package - review & range report - Sniper Central Hunters can select their Vanguard First Lite in four flat-shooting, hard-hitting Weatherby Magnum calibers (240 Wby Mag, 257 Wby Mag, 6.5-300 Wby Mag, and 300 Wby Mag) and four traditional rounds (270 Win, 308 Win, 30-06 Sprg and 300 Win). Excellent retort. The new stock is a two-tone affair, the main chassis being a more durable polymer with the areas one would normally grip a firearm covered in a softer and more grippy material. One might wonder, is all this ‘fending-off’ of the opinions of others, based on a relationship rather than just allowing people to have opposing opinions in the first place. I’d rather not wear a set of earmuffs for a full day of deer hunting in preparation for the one or two shots I might (or might not) take. This becomes a problem when you’re trying to make precision shots, as it usually has an adverse effect on the barrel harmonics and can apply pressure on the barrel moving it slightly off center. I’m not sure why you seem to have taken my disagreement so personally. I still like the good old Weatherby Vanguards (or the S&W as noted above) for the beautiful wood, nice polish, and mile deep blue job. I have the S2 in 7mm Rem Mag with a SWFA 10x scope. Some shooters think the Vanguard triggers have creep, and they have voiced these concerns to Weatherby. When I am killing a deer, being concerned about his hearing loss is a bit of an overkill. It carries a retail price of $849, compared to the Vanguard Series 2 Deluxe that has upgraded wood and highly polished blue for $1149 (2113 MSRP). This feature may have been done away with when synthetic stock became common. Free floating is not the cure all to accuracy! The Weatherby Vanguard Sporter is Weatherby's less expensive walnut stocked, bolt action centerfire rifle. His concern for the lack of a threading for a silencer is ridiculous.”. Guaranteed 1 MoA accuracy is nothing to sneeze at. The problem is that their first attempt sucked (relative to what they were capable of doing — I still gave it four stars). Federal XM80CL 7.62 X 51 149 grain FMJ or American Eagle 7.62 x 51 168 grain OTM, the box says For M1A, in this Rifle ? LOL. Also as others have commented on the free-floating barrel issue…(I knew you were wrong on this issue as soon as I read your comments)… this unfortunately casts a shadow of doubt in your reader’s minds in regard to other reviews. I shoot a Howa 1500 (same rifle) 30-06 with a Weatherby Deluxe stock I bought and bedded separately. On the original you had a single stage trigger, but the Series 2 sports a rather snappy two stage affair. And if you get a better stock the sky is the limit. The synthetic stocked models have an MSRP of $649. terrible and cheap), and the accuracy was more or less “meh.” It was a budget rifle all right, but Weatherby had sacrificed almost everything that makes their guns great to get down to the right price point. To insult Kia is to say you have never driven a Ford Dodge or Chevy. The same way you can tell the quality of an automobile by closing the car door you can tell the quality of a firearm by working the bolt. Good silencers aren’t heavy. There are self help groups for that. Next being a Weatherby I’m thinking these had steel bars running under the composite for added strength. Your email address will not be published. I am neither of those things. No problem! Review: Weatherby Vanguard® Series 2 Back Country .30-06 Rifle. Mag.-chambered Vanguard Series 2 Synthetic with a Nightforce 12-42X 56 mm NXS scope, then attached a Harris bipod for stability. The Agony, and Utter Joy, of One Child’s First Fish, The 6 Best Big-Game Loads for the .308 Winchester, How to Hunt Ducks in a Winter Storm and Live to Tell About It, The Story Behind the World-Record Whitetail Deer, The 10 Best Long-Range Hunting Cartridges, Kansas Teenager Tags World-Record Whitetail Buck, How to Pick the Best All-Purpose Deer Rifle. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. You'll probably find a new Vanguard 2 is just as slick as your old S&W was. This would have been five stars if they had raised the comb a little bit. I too find Chuck Hawks and David Petzal to provide their readers with some of the most accurate, honest and real-world evaluations. Their regular line could do the job as well but thanks to the remarkably crappy stocks, they didn’t guarantee it. Not too impressed with my 7mm08 vanguard S2 Sporter 1 3/4 ” group at 100 yds is the best it could do. The line was revitalized in 2003 and is now the heart of the Weatherby line. 100 yard sub MOA. Nick just a note, as someone who reviews cars as part of their job, Kia’s are no longer crappy cars. And on a final note…Remington’s ejector’s are weak in comparison to Weatherby’s. A silencer is used by the military and police to throw off the enemy as to the origine of the shot and to cut down on the flash. I have a Stevens 200 and an old Savage 110 both with plastic stocks. In my 44 years of shooting I never felt the need for a silencer or even a flash hider for my hunting guns. It is a beefy, 7-1/2 pound rifle with a … I am testing a 20″ Carbine in 308 that they cut down to 16″ and threaded as a test for the suppressor ready market. Lacking in research, lacking in explanation, etc. The bottom metal is one piece with floorplate. Specifications Caliber: .308 Winchester (7.62×51 NATO) Barrel: 20″, 1:12 twist Size: 40″ overall length Weight: 7 lbs. What do you recommend? Your email address will not be published. The eyepiece is 1.815″ in diameter, over the bolt, and there is still plenty of room for the bolt to act. I think David Petzal hits the nail on the head pretty squarely with his review of this rifle… For the money, this may be the best “economy” rifle one can buy. My favorite started life as a carbine 243 but was sent to Jess Ocumpaugh and has been rebored to 358 Winchester. Buck naked, that is without scope, fittings, ammo or sling, the Weatherby Vanguard S2 weighed 3.4 kilograms and is 1130 mm in length. Looking for a Walnut Monte Carlo stock for my S2. As I read the comments, his flawed critic was eviscerated and showed a cavalier approach to gun review. Also a silencer adds weight at the wrong place of the gun. 5-shot groups that fit within the diameter of a quarter-dollar, no further than 5/8″ off target, using Hornady .30-06 150 grain InterBond. Size: 40″ overall length So I did. The Weatherby Company was founded in 1945 by Roy Weatherby, and quickly came to be known as the West Coast purveyor of bolt action hunting rifles. Swivel studs are nice and in place, there are TONS of aftermarket stocks, and the receiver is drilled for scope mounts. And the Weatherby is remarkably solid. Mr. Leghorn is absolutely biased against Weatherby. Ase Utra 14×1=14mm + Weatherby Vanguard Carbine= 14,2mm. It’s time to buy a new 270 rifle for hunting deer out west, MT and WY. but with some hog skulls added to the stock.. Ergonomics: * * * * One of the main complaints I had with the stock on the original version was that it wasn’t “free floating.” That is, the stock contacted the barrel. It doesn’t seem so. The other two are a 24 inch 243 and a 22 inch 223 and after developing hand loads they all three shoot 1/2 moa! It is two lug, therefore it is 90 degree. “Why are some Weatherby® rifles “free floated” and some are not? I wanted to see how the Vanguard ll performed compared to the Mark V, and in all honesty, it doesn’t even come close when it comes to looks, fit and finish, however when it comes to performance I would say that it’s close, very close, to the Mark V, not bad for a riflle which cost something like less than a third of it’s bigger brother, the mark V. I agree with what has been said about the “3-position” safety, I would go for the old 2-position style any day of the week, if I had the choice, but I dont, and I quickly got used to it. A lot of old hunters can’t hear. So five stars here is nowhere near five stars on an Accuracy International. The rifle in question is the “Carbine” variant of the Weatherby Vanguard. First I try to work up a handload for it and see if that helps. Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited. New for 2013 is Weatherby's “Back Country” Series 2 version of their popular Howa-actioned bolt action rifles. Real shooters correcting what seems to be writers that never shoot. Not saying the Stevens or the Savage are bad guns, they just don’t do it for me. The receiver is forged and machined with integral recoil lug. Something to improve for the next SHOT show, perhaps? Weatherby Vanguard S2 240 WBY $ 511.00 (2) Weatherby Vanguard S2 Bell & Carlson 3006 $ 1,292.00 (0) Leupold 2 PC BASE MARK V Matte $ 20.00 (0) Leupold DD 2 PC BASE MARK V $ 19.50 (0) Leupold DD 2 PC BASE MARK V Matte $ 18.62 (0) Leupold DD 2 PC BASE MARK V RVF Matte $ 19.50 (1) Warne Matte Base Set For Remington 700 Take a good look at the bolt-face. What brand cheek riser did you use on this rifle? When its time to shoot just push it all the way forward. Remember: ratings are based on the merits of the firearm compared to other similarly priced and marketed firearms. Do you know if the current line of Boyd’s stocks still fit the new vanguard? I thank you for any help you can offer. Just to make it less shiny to match the other black rubber pieces I scuffed it up with some sand paper. Customization: * * * * * Mr. Leghorn review reinforced my belief that this S2 is a great gun for the money. I wish I had a nickel for every extractor that I have replaced in Remington”s 3 rings of steel bolt! In short, check the box next to “fix the trigger.”. Operation: Bolt action Finish: Matte blue (Rifle DOES NOT come with bipod, scope or mounts) Capacity: 5+1 … You got rid of your first vanguard because the barrel was too thin to be threaded, so what’s your plan for tho sone? Barrels on the Weatherby Vanguard Modular Chassis rifles also come threaded for a sound suppressor (1 ⁄ 2 x28 for .223 Rem. The trigger on the Mk 2 has been vastly improved, offering a two-stage adjustable unit, with a three-position safety catch. Accuracy: * * * * * I’m not busting chops here but, when writing a review, Mr Leghorn, research is highly recommended prior to writing an article. I got a V2 Hog Reaper in 7mm08 last year for my son to hunt with.. I bought it at Cabela’s and the guy in charge of the gun counter was no help at all. The series 2 is somewhere around $100 – $150 more than its older brother, but that money appears to be money well spent. Weatherby Vanguard Stainless. In other words, bad mojo. You devoted far more time to objecting to his threaded barrel comment than he did in actually making it. Weight: 7 lbs. I ended up using pieces of foam from some copper tube insulation then threw some tape over it. Winchester’s safety is poorly designed as a “field functional” safety IMO… it doesn’t tend to work with the natural mechanics of a person’s thumb. Capacity: 5+1 Specifications I’m very happy with my Weatherby V2. I’m very happy with the cheek height now. So, it looks like this is indeed a good improvement over the previous design. I feel you have “dropped the ball” on this one. A Bonnier Corporation Company. “An ear cover is much more comfortable than lugging a heavy sound suppressor on the tip of a gun through the woods.”. Something like 15 years ago, I decided that I needed (or rather wanted) a .2xx, .3xx and a .4xx caliber Weatherby rifle, It turned out to be a 257 Mark V fibermark, a 300 Mark V Accumark and a 416 Mark V Lasermark and by far, the 257 became the rifle that I used the most, mostly due to it’s accuracy and performance. Reliability: * * * * * what would you suggest to be a good bipod for the weatherby vanguard 2 in 30-06, “There is, however, a problem. You mention in your last paragraph to free float “that puppy”. The Vanguard is designed to have pressure on front just like Mosin-Nagant. 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